[lfs-dev] resizecons : a proposal

Ken Moffat zarniwhoop at ntlworld.com
Thu May 17 17:25:29 PDT 2012

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 04:37:24PM -0700, Qrux wrote:
> Console fonts (and asking people to build FB support in kernels) seem like a waste of effort when most people probably spend 99% of their time SSH'ed in to their LFS box or running X (both BLFS considerations).

 As well as adding better support for some glyphs, different console
fonts can be different sizes: larger, and therefore hopefully more
legible if your eyesight is not 100%, or smaller to allow more text
on a screen.

 Anyone running Xorg on ati (radeon), intel, or the
nouveau-supported graphics cards, with a modern kernel, should be
using KMS and therefore gets a framebuffer.
> > But yes, I suggest that most people here don't have US keyboards.
> > If we were all American, we'd probably still use ASCII.
> What non-pedantic distinction are you making?  There is no such thing as an ASCII keyboard, since ASCII is an encoding.  Are you making the point that the default kernel keyboard drivers converts keypresses into the ASCII-encoding for the character printed on the keys of a generic 101-key QWERTY keyboard?  What question does that answer?

 My point about ASCII is that it doesn't allow for accented letters,
nor for letters beyond A-Z|a-z such as ð or þ (eth and thorn :

> Does the vanilla kernel & userland require kbd to exist in order to use the console?  If not, why does it exist as a part of LFS?  Are there people with keyboards such that the default kernel driver (i.e., without kdb) cannot interpret certain keypresses?

 If you had a French or German keyboard, the results from pressing
the keys would be very different from what is shown on the key caps.
Other people use variant keyboards (e.g. Dvorak - sometimes in the
belief it will mitigate their RSI).  For keyboards where the natural
language is written in cyrillic, the letters of that language would
probably not be accessible.

> Even if so...Why does that even matter?  Login as root, and pick passwords based on some intersection between your keyboard and the default set of recognized (ASCII) keycodes.  You only need enough functionality at the console to get userland network connectivity or X.
> Is kbd necessary even to drive a standard QWERTY keyboard with a vanilla kernel/userland?
> 	Q
 I have to say that you are good at asking streams of questions, but
not at taking note of replies that don't suit you (e.g. you still
reply with very-long lines which make it much harder to trim your

 In general, you give the impression of being someone who has only
recently arrived here, but who thinks that the book should match his
own prejudices for how little should be built.

 This thread is not about removing the kbd package from LFS - start
your own thread(s) for the packages you don't want to build, or
better still, just drop them from your own builds.

das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce

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