Someone is Saddam's Girlfriend (Was Re: The Art of Unix Programming)

Andrew Calkin calkina at ece.curtin.edu.au
Fri Feb 7 21:15:32 PST 2003


Hiya,

Please continue this off-list. It has nothing to do with Linux in
general, or LFS in particular. If anyone is interested in how this
discussion develops, let them personally ask to be CC'd the continuation 
of this.

Regards,
Andrew.


On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 08:57:44PM -0800, Eric Miller wrote:
> > > And the 3,100 people that died on Sept. 11th don't
> > > count when they died at the hands of terrorists
> > funded
> > > and supported by Iraq?  
> > 
> > I never said that.
> 
> So, they do count then?  Your column says "0"  When
> you reply be sure to answer yes, or no!
> 
> 
> > > What about the 50,000-100,000 Kurds who were
> > drafted
> > > into the Iranian and Iraqi armies and forced to
> > fight
> > > each other in the Iran-Iraq War in the 80's?  Just
> > > because they arent american means they don't count
> > as
> > > killed Civilians?
> > 
> > I never said that either.
> > 
> 
> So, they count then?  Your column says "0"
> 
> > > What about the over 5000 who died in the city of
> > > Halabja in South Kurdistan by Iraq government’s
> > > military chemical bombing campaigns against
> > innocent
> > > Kurdish in 1988?
> > 
> > What about it? I don't understand what you are
> > getting at.
> 
> Please.  You know what your sig *implies*, it doesnt
> have to be said.  For example, look at the subject
> line of this message.  Does it make you mad?
> 
> Well, I never said *you* were Saddam's girlfriend now
> did I?
> 
> > > why don't you save your uneducated politics for
> > > newgroups that traffic in that sort of stuff. 
> > This is
> > > a linux newsgroup and that tag is offensive.
> > 
> > Uneducated? Because I'm opposed to a war? I have my
> > very well informed
> 
> Agreed, you are entitled to your opinion.  Calling you
> uneducated was uncalled for.  The fact that you would
> state clearly that Saddam has "0" civilian victems to
> date makes me think you are uneducated in *this*
> topic.
> 
> > reasons to be very much opposed to a war against
> > Iraq. I won't go into
> > them here, since that would surely start a huge
> > thread which most
> > group participiants are uninterested in. 
> 
> Ah, but you already did.  You posted it, and continue
> to post it on this group.  At what point do you cross
> the "going into it" line.  You are "going into it" the
> moment you post it.  What you want to avoid "getting
> into" is the fact that your comments might be
> offensive to other people who aren't here for *any*
> political rhetoric, pro or anti war.  
> 
> > continue this
> > discussion by email if you would like.
> 
> Nah, this is LFS chat and I think we can discuss it
> here.  There are plenty of US, Canadian, British (and
> many others) on this board who find your sympathy for
> Saddam to be offensive and not appropriate for this
> newsgroup.  
> > 
> > My .sig is only meant to display my aversion to a
> > potential war, and
> > maybe to imply that waging a war is "cheap" for Bush
> > in the sense that
> > all the dead innocent people that will follow will
> > mainly be Iraqi
> 
> Then say just that.  Your sig implies much much more
> than that, and you know it.
> 
> > civilians. The figure is based on a UN report BTW.
> 
> I don't beleive you.  Send me a link.  Don't be
> suprised that *if* you are able to produce something,
> many of those casualties in the figure are expected to
> be caused by Saddam's genocidal behavior during the
> process of war.
> 
> > That is not to
> > mention the millions of Iraqis that would be in dire
> > need for
> > emergency food & supplies to survive.
> 
> As opposed to the economic bliss they currently enjoy?
>  Whens the last time we failed to spend billions on
> Humanitarian Aid in war torn regions?  We rebuilt
> Japan and Europe after WWII, and in every military
> action since.  SOrry, I still think you are uneducated
> (in this topic)
> > 
> > Many very well educated persons share my view on
> > this, so there is no
> > need to insult me.
> > 
> Im sure, but they dont post thier opinions in forums
> that should be specifically devoid of propaganda (pro,
> anti, whatever)
> 
> > As an aside, it is not uncommon to have "off-topic"
> > signatures. In
> > particular, political ones are not uncommon even on
> > this list. 
> 
> Agreed, but surely theres a line that we try to stay
> inside?  Especially in the wake of innocent bloodshed
> and in light of the fact that someone brings it to
> your attention that they find it offensive.
> 
> Feel
> > free to express your viewpoints with a pro-war
> > signature if you
> > like. 
> 
> I would, if I were pro war.  You assume that because I
> don't like the fact that you put a "zero" where tens
> of thousands should be means I am pro war.  
> 
> No, I am pro fact.
> 
> If you cannot more clearly express why you
> > find my signature
> > offensive, I do not intend remove it.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I have tried to do just that, and hope I have
> succeeded.  I just want to hang out and ask stupid
> questions about linux and LFS without having to read
> political opinions that offend me.  Im not saying dont
> do it, Im asking you not to do it here.
> 
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